What with , might as well start talking about some parts Swedish racism that I've been studying.
If there is anything in this thread you'd like to boost, I'd very much appreciate it.

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Sweden formed laws against hate speech in 1949. That's a few years after WWII, as you'll notice.

At that time, most other countries had anti-nazi laws. Sweden refused to establish any such laws, and pointed at Freedom of speech.

Now, since it was allowed to print nazi propaganda in Sweden, a lot of people started doing that, and then mailing the stuff abroad.
Other countries, who were more anti-nazi, didn't like this. They put pressure on Sweden, and we got our laws against hate speech.

Those laws exist because Sweden was a beacon of Nazi propaganda, and other countries put pressure on us.

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Oh, and if any of this sounds like any techbros you've seen, that's because it is the same shit.
De-platform nazis, always. De-federate anyone who lets fascists speak.

It's the oldest trick in the book, it works, and it's been a vital part of the freedom of speech from the start.
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forced sterilization, racism 

Sweden had laws of forced sterilization of the general population until 1976, and of transgender people until 2013.

The law stated that they should sterilize people who were "mentally ill".
This term was of course targeted against coloured and poor people. It targeted women who lived without a man, single mothers, anyone marginalized. There are very clear patterns as to who was considered mentally ill, and who got a free pass.

This whole idea of sterilizing people from certain groups speaks of the racism that is at the heart of swedish thinking and culture. Most of it was no longer legal from 1976, but as we see with how long we sterilized transgender people - 2013 ffs - the idea that this is a good thing is very much still present.

And it is very much directed towards coloured people, towards BIPOC people, and towards Muslim people.

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forced sterilization, racism 

I don't have links or further reading about this last part, but if you do, please toss them up.

I'm just speaking of what I see, every day, living as a white person in sweden.

A lot of racism is hard to spot for white people, but this stuff isn't. It's very visible if you're willing to see it.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

When I was a kid, my best friend changed his last name. His dad had earlier changed his first name.

The dad was part of a minority in the north of sweden speaking Meänkieli. When the dad went to school, he was abused by his teachers for speaking his language.
The shame took such deep roots that he changed his names, because they sounded too much like of the Torne valley, the area he was born in.

It's extremely common in Sweden to be "in support" of american natives. It is very uncommon to speak of our oppression of the Sámi, and other groups. The Sámi lands, Sápmi, cover the north of Sweden, Norway, Finland and part of Russia. Their language and culture has been treated very much the same as Torne and Meänkieli, and still face a lot of oppression.

swedish people will call themselves anti-racist and point fingers abroad. We do not speak of what's happening inside our own borders.

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child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

OK my roomie, who's a teacher, just told me more about the Sámi languages in swedish schools.
There is education in these languages in swedish schools, but that education is always in the form of teaching someone a second language. The goal is bilingualism.
There is a Sámi school in sweden. Which is forced to use swedish as the primary language.

So yeah, the languages aren't banned anymore. But it is in effect forbidden to have Sámi languages as your mother tongue. Since attending school is mandatory in sweden (homeschooling exists, but I'm assuming that's too complicated to be pragmatic).

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

I looked into this a bit more, and I was wrong about parts of it.
The Sámi schools do conduct their education in Sámi languages. They are Sámi-run, and have a degree of autonomy. I don't know the exact degree. But this is part of what the Sámi has won through their struggles.

The official swedish line is still that minority languages are taught as secondary languages, and speakers of these languages study them as second languages.
I haven't found any information about Meänkieli or Romani schools, but I'm still looking.

So, basically it seems the situation I describe doesn't entirely apply to Sámi, since the Sámi has won the right to run schools in a better way?

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina it's also very fucky how little we are taught about sàmi people. At least I was so I assume the lack of education is still on going.


I can't remember a single thing about sàmi people from (Finnish) school. That also might be a me issue though

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@jonossaseuraava yep. I have a feeling I've been taught more about Denmark than I've learned about Sápmi.
I actually want to check up on what they read about them in school now, might be a good way to measure how much has happened

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@jonossaseuraava @panina Not a you issue, had the same experience in Finnish school too

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@SigmaOne @jonossaseuraava I'm really enjoying Liberating Sapmi by Gabriel Kuhn. It is, however, heavily focused in the Swedish and Norwegian sides of Sápmi, at least the first half of it.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina ugh. Another slew of things to earn [damnatio memoriam]'s Damnatio Memoriae

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@thraeryn perhaps. Until "forgetting sweden ever existed" (if I understood the Latin correctly) is possible, I'll keep trying to do the opposite - make people remember what's been going on.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina 💪 A very fine mission

Gonna go into ASD "must be clearly understood" mode, the biggest statement of this toot is above

In my mind, it's less about forgetting that anyone did these things, more about never giving the people who do these things a name, in a fashion that makes the stories seem less apocryphal. Kinda like the push here in the US to call heinous criminals "Some Asshole"

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina oh, I just came up with a good whatever this is

Damnatio Memoriae is redacting text in the 15-page report, not destroying the report

@thraeryn no worries at all. And thanks for telling me about the "some asshole" practice, I like that.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@thraeryn I like that idea, with terrorists and such.
And in that vein, perhaps this isn't sweden. Perhaps this is just white supremacy. Nationalism. The same everywhere, but they all invoke a different flag.

But the original hashtag is a way to change the image of sweden. Remove the idea of the non-racist sweden. Clean away that idea.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina (cc @Mayana)

Sweden has a main language, Swedish, and Sami is one of five official minority languages. The reason is that you need a common language. Up here in Sápmi (where I live) the local school for all students (regardless of heritage) is Sami.

It is true that Sweden, like any other country, has mistreated ethnic minorities, but if you're going to contribute to #swedengate, please check your facts.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@kazarnowicz well, I tried to be rather clear about what my sources are. I don't have any deep knowledge about the subject.

I am, however, very curious. Does the local school in your area use Sami as their primary language?

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina Considering that #swedengate was born out of a grave, willful misunderstanding of Swedish culture and history, I think that checking your facts before adding to the thread, especially here on Mastodon, is important.

You can read about the Sami schools up north, run by Sameskolstyrelsen here: https://sameskolstyrelsen.se/vara-skolor/

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@kazarnowicz I'm not really interested in discussing the birthplace of a hashtag, nor do I find it interesting. It's become a place to discuss racism in sweden, and I'm always on board for that. Also, I'm not misunderstanding my culture. Which I'm part of.

What I actually question about your initial statement is the idea that we need a common language. There's something inherently racist about that idea. And it is applied differently, with a clear racist pattern, towards different languages. It's very easy to live with English in sweden as your primary and only language.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina as a Swede with an American husband, I'm well aware of how hard or easy it is. Calling it racism to have a main language in a country is to me watering down racism, and ignoring the real issues in Sweden (I'm also an immigrant, came here in -85, so I've faced a few of these and I'm lucky enough to pass unless you check my name). I get wanting to discuss our issues, but "sila kameler och skjuta mygg" and all that.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@kazarnowicz I'm specifically talking about the Sami situation in sweden.
That is not, in any way, to water down racism. The swedish government has treated the Sami severely racist, and have not done enough to right that wrong.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina that is true. And the schools have been a historical issue. But to describe the current situation as "But it is in effect forbidden to have Sámi languages as your mother tongue." is disingenuous. I hope you can see that.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@kazarnowicz no, I can't really. Most of our discussion has been about other things.

I will of course read more about this subject.
But it would help me a lot if you could answer a simple question: are the local schools using any of the Sami languages as their main language? Is all education conducted in this language, or is it treated as a secondary language?
I know that there's plenty of stuff to read, but I was asking you, because I'd like to hear your side of it.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina I quoted you directly on the Sami is effectively forbidden thing. Imho: When we talk about issues with long historical complications that still are infected, we have a responsibility to avoid hyperbole - especially we we don't belong to the minorities involved. The rest of what you wrote (forced sterilizations, historical attempts at eradicating minority identities, current structural racism) is on point.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@kazarnowicz OK. I'm basically wondering about your wording in "Up here in Sápmi (where I live) the local school for all students (regardless of heritage) is Sami." I don't understand that sentence.
But if that's not something you feel safe elaborating on, that's fine.

linguistic colonialism 

@kazarnowicz "Calling it racism to have a main language in a country is to me watering down racism, and ignoring the real issues in Sweden" is a ridiculous comment. Are we to believe that the country holistically looked at all the linguistic options & chose the fairest one with the consent of the others? Or that the marginalization of indigenous & other languages is totally unrelated to the "real issues" of race & colonialism? @panina

linguistic colonialism, Hawaii mention 

@noyovo yeah likely story...
It's a situation that started with oppression on a similar level as what the US did in Hawaii, and it's only backed away from that because of the persistent struggle of Sámi people. They managed to lessen the racism, but it's still very much present.

child abuse, hate towards sámi, swedish colonialism, banned languages 

@panina I should also say, I worked at a school that had English as the primary language. People who speak Swedish do not understand the amount of exclusion that happens to English speakers. Swedes are happy to practice English, but revert or fall back to Swedish as soon as the English speaker leaves. We worked a lot with this issue, and it was hard.

forced sterilization, racism 

@panina Still better than Finland at least, we still have the sterilization law for trans people

forced sterilization, anti-trans hate 

@SigmaOne I did actually not know that.
Do you know anything about that law? I'm curious about their reasoning for it.

In sweden, they claimed that the reason for the sterilization was that the paperwork would get messy. They had a "dad" box, and a "mom" box och their birth form paperwork, and it would just be hellish to sort out the paperwork if trans people weren't sterilized.

That's basically the only rationalization for it I've heard.

forced sterilization, anti-trans hate 

@panina Can't remember hearing any real reasoning for it

There's some attempt to get rid of the law too, but that doesn't seem to be really going anywhere

forced sterilization, anti-trans hate 

@SigmaOne yeah the swedish "reasoning" is very obviously BS, and perhaps the Finnish state doesn't have the same interest in spewing out obvious nonsense. Perhaps they have the guts to just be silent about it, as they know they only have hateful reasons.

forced sterilization, anti-trans hate 

@panina @SigmaOne after digging out a bit, the reasoning can be found. https://finlex.fi/fi/esitykset/he/2001/20010056#idm45949343869712

and it's not very thorough, it only states that without sterilization there could be situations where a legal woman could inseminate a child or a legal man could give birth to a child. no reasoning for why that would be unacceptable though.

forced sterilization, anti-trans hate 

@Stoori @SigmaOne seems like that is, at heart, the same reasoning as sweden's reasoning.

forced sterilization, anti-trans hate 

@panina @SigmaOne ah yes, forcing people to go through i wanted surgery in order to make sure they fit into some boxes invented by bureaucracy

forced sterilization, anti-trans hate 

@IngaLovinde @SigmaOne yeah. It says something about sweden, that the government thought that this would be an efficient argument.
And that cis people generally accepted it.

forced sterilization, anti-trans hate 

@panina @IngaLovinde Finland as well, although here they didn't really even try that much as @Stoori pointed out in another reply

Would be interesting to hear experiences from other nordics as well, particularly Norway since it's the third "large" one

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