Still chuckling about how the novel Lord of the Flies was specifically a critique of BRITISH imperialism and the violence that society instilled from childhood on, and has nothing to do with so-called "human nature."

When a group of real-life Tongan teenagers were stranded on an island and had to fend for themselves in a very similar scenario, what did they do? They built houses, a badminton court, and a gym, planted gardens, set up a rotating watch for passing ships, and peacefully resolved disputes until they were rescued 15 months later. Violent human nature my ass.

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Lord of the Flies started out as essentially a hatefic of an earlier and rightfully long-forgotten novel called The Coral Island, where upper-class British schoolboys are stranded on an island and proceed to have a jolly adventure in perfect harmony with each other, displaying superior "intellect" and "civilization" in contrast to violent and "primitive" Polynesian Indigenous islanders.

William Golding was mad at this piece of racist pro-imperialist propaganda and, drawing from his experiences as both a Navy sailor and a teacher, wrote a scathing counter-story of what would ACTUALLY happen if a bunch of British schoolboys were stranded on an island. He may have called it "human nature" but everything about the story's and author's background says it's specifically British, and a reaction to the smug superiority of the British system displayed in stories like The Coral Island.

Lord of the Flies origin story, racism & imperialism mention 

@ljwrites his foreword to the audiobook is wonderful

Lord of the Flies origin story, racism & imperialism mention 

@frustratedantiquarian Golding's foreword? What does it say?

Lord of the Flies origin story, racism & imperialism mention 

Lord of the Flies origin story, racism & imperialism mention 

@ljwrites
This is how I was taught it, and it blows my mind that people still don't know this???

Lord of the Flies origin story, racism & imperialism mention 

@Cyborgneticz Yeah this just mainstream scholarship, it's not some obscure out-of-the-way stuff and yet.

Lord of the Flies origin story, racism & imperialism mention 

@ljwrites @Cyborgneticz @ljwrites Maybe Rutger Bregman needed the misunderstanding to write his piece (it's whan Michael Pollan calls a 'conceit' maybe?) or just that mainstream scholarship doesn't influence a lot of western culture:
> western culture has been permeated by the idea that humans are selfish creatures. That cynical image of humanity has been proclaimed in films and novels..

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

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@ljwrites a real lesson in do not be subtle, say what exactly you mean!

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@unfitmisfit So many misinterpretations could have been avoided this way ugh.

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@unfitmisfit @ljwrites
> ... the officer says, “that a pack of British boys would have been able to put up a better show than that.” At this, Ralph bursts into tears. “Ralph wept for the end of innocence,” we read, and for “the darkness of man’s heart”.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months
Was it just Ralph, or Golding too, on 'man's heart'? Is it the difference between Tongans and British? or Catholic school rebels and good prep school kids?

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@ljwrites The reality is that if it isn't human nature to cooperate, then it's definitely human nature to realize that cooperation will leave you better off than the alternative. Have you heard of the Acali Raft? Wendigoon did a great video on it, but tl;dw misanthropic researcher tries to get people to eat each other and fails spectacularly. https://youtu.be/BHXw3E1VqK4

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