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πŸ˜’ βœ‹ coding education for children to turn out young, plentiful and cheap workforces for tech companies
😎 πŸ‘‰ continuing tech education & community support so people of all ages can take charge of their technology and not be exploited by tech companies & government

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In other words: I don't give a shit about elementary schoolgirls learning to code Rust or whatever. Talk to me about Grandma who lives on a pension being able to continue using her serviceable 2012 computer without being forced to shell out for a new model just so she can keep chatting with her grandkids.

@ljwrites how did I miss these toots before? Anyway, as always, spot on LJ

@ljwrites Do you think there's a market for this? Like I help out a lot of older folks with these kinds of problems and try to think aloud and teach as I go, but generally they resist even hearing me out--I don't personally know anyone who would sign up for a class.

Meanwhile if some schoolgirls sign up for a class in Rust I definitely care a lot about that and think we should support them however we can.

@eleanor I say it's valid for older people (or anyone) to want their computer stuff troubleshot without wanting to learn more, much like I want my washing machine or refrigerator to work without my having to know the innards. The support should be there for them, from computer repair shops to community tech support, repairable products, and support for old OSes and open-source OSes so older hardware can keep going. That's environmental as well as economic good sense.

I have nothing against children learning code or anything else they want, obviously, I'm just wary of the agenda behind tech companies pushing coding education on children on a mass scale. I don't believe for a moment they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts and neither should you.

@ljwrites I mean I completely agree that they shouldn't have to want to learn how to do their own maintenance. My point was that a program for teaching can't be successful unless they actually *do* and I'm just not sure that's true.

As far as education: I do not care one bit why anyone "pushes" education on children. If the kids like it and they're learning problem solving skills that will serve them well, I don't care who else benefits.

@eleanor my op wasn't about education exclusively tho, I specifically included "community support" for this reason.

Coding education is not in itself an absolute good, and how it's done matters. If it's done in a way that gives students broad problem-solving skills and perspectives on technology, great, I'm all for it. If it's done with a narrow focus on tech companies' needs in specific languages that will soon be irrelevant, to drive up labor supply and drive down labor costs? Waste of time and money, those resources are far better used elsewhere.

@ljwrites a lot of libraries arrange tech continuing education and I think that should be expanded and staffed because, in my experience working retail tech, so many older people get scammed so often, just because they're scared of learning about their machine because they don't want to mess it up.

@apisashla yup, that is exactly the kind of service that needs investment and expansion!

@ljwrites Yess! The focus on getting the "next generation" up to some level of tech literacy always struck me as wanting to make developers more replaceable, while simultaneously abandoning anyone older who might have to switch jobs, or even just wanting to maintain their own technology 😬

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