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Hey how's this for a hot take: You are not entitled to gawk at "evidence" of other people's trauma fuck off

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

Demanding receipts for defederation is completely ridiculous for numerous reasons. For one thing, defederation doesn't close down the other server, nor limit the freedoms of the instance or its users. All it does is deny them association and here's a little secret: No one owes you their company. For whatever reason.

If you think the mods of your instance are shitty liars (along with the mods of several other instances) who are slandering another instance based on no evidence, by all means walk away. You should not entrust your online presence to people you can't trust.

And if you're on the receiving end of defederation that you think is in bad faith? That's a cause for celebration, not bellyaching. Less crappy people in your life = a good thing!

In no case is there any reason, at all, for abuse victims to be exposed to their abusers and relive their trauma for your personal enlightenment. You don't get to scrutinize and tear apart other people's pain just because you wanna. That's voyeuristic and cruel.

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"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@ljwrites feels a bit like ppl are maybe scared that they or their instance is in fact in the wrong but would rather blame it on others for not detailling every single shitty behavior instead of reflecting on it themself

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@raspberry @ljwrites this is exactly what it is

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@ljwrites Sorry, I'm a bit behind on this. Is it that defederated instances are demanding a list of their wrongs with evidence or else they were defederated unjustly and it's not fair?

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@petrichor that seems to be the line, at least from people who are friendly to the defederated instances or are otherwise opposed to the decision. Many don't even seem to be w.e. users so idk why they're even poking their noses in lol.

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@ljwrites @petrichor I've seen users clarify the issue isn't defederation; they believe W.E is being racist by giving their reason as anti-black harassment when the three instances named have a large number of non-white admin teams.

Since all three instances have predominantly non-white admin teams, users feel it's a racially-motivated decision. Thus, they want evidence that it is NOT related to the ethnicity of their members.

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@rosebuck @ljwrites @petrichor feels like a lot is being conflated here. Race and ethnicity aren't always the same thing

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@CaribenxMarciaX @ljwrites @petrichor Ah, do you mean with the way I wrote it/explained it? I've seen some users use "race" and I've seen others explicitly use "ethnicity" (when talking about this situation). I'm the one putting them together while trying to explain; since anti-blackness is being discussed and non-black POC are involved, perhaps I should be more careful about which word I'm using.

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@rosebuck @ljwrites @petrichor fair. But also, non black poc can deffo be antiblack so it's important we remember that just bc there's poc around thats not an automatic safe space for Blk ppl, ya know?

"receipts" meta, defederation & association 

@rosebuck @petrichor rage.love also defederated with the same 3 instances a long while ago over their racist harassment, and our mod team is majority BIPOC.

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@ljwrites I was thinking that demanding receipts is like demanding video of the cops killing a black person. It's trauma porn and it's not actually good for anyone.

People are just latching onto "I need receipts!" now because there aren't any. If there were, the goalposts would move to something else.

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@bright_helpings @ljwrites a lot of people have already seen the receipts and made up their mind. 🤷‍♀️

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@maloki @ljwrites oh yeah I meant "there aren't any" only in the sense that w.e didn't include any with their announcement, they're refusing to play this game.

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@bright_helpings @maloki yup I'm glad that the w.e. mods aren't playing the game. This isn't a good-faith call for evidence--and such calls can't be in good faith in the first place. Once the mods start dancing to that tune they'll be piled with demand after demand, and then denial and derailment, plus additional harassment of the victims who are still reachable. Fuck that noise.

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@bright_helpings @ljwrites

I mean these requests are obviously in bad faith and they aren't shy about being coldly threatening about it either.

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@zzz @bright_helpings not only is that threatening, it's nonsensical because if they have the evidence to "discredit" the claims they don't need receipts in the first place 🤨

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@ljwrites @zzz @bright_helpings i'm guessing root meant "disregard" since that makes a lot more sense

but even that would only make sense if one were assuming that w.e.'s announcement was a # fediblock psa sort of post rather than simply an announcement of what *they* were doing wrt w.e.

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@carcinopithecus @ljwrites @bright_helpings

I think you are being too charitable towards someone who has shown themselves to be anything but that.

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