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autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

Allistics: Omg sufferers of autism don't have *empathy* are they even human 馃槺
Autistic person: I mean since you're the experts on empathy maybe you could empathize with my difficulties living in a society not designed for my brain type, surrounded by people who think I'm defective and not even a person?
Allistics: Haha. No 馃檭
Allistics: Anyway we will torture you until you act exactly like us

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autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites yeah basically

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@keith it never fails to make me laugh (angrily) that the same people who wring their hands at autistic people's supposed lack of empathy--always poorly defined, generally seems to mean being bad at allistic social cues--are the same people who refuse to empathize with autistic people at all.

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites yeah...
and then they take the mask completely off with shit like the "overly sensitive to immoral actions" thing

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@keith It's almost like it was never about morality at all, but about conformity... :blobhyperthink: (and to many allistics they're the same thing, which is terrifying)

*Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?* 

@ljwrites /fin

*Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?* 

@wilbr hey, not sure if you鈥檙e comparing autistic people to robots here, but it kinda reads like it and that鈥檚 a bit insensitive

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@s0 no, the entirety of the novel is about how humanity decides that a class of human defined by their "lack of empathy" (as defined by a questionable standardized test) is subhuman and worthy of slavery or death. But the cop-assassin protagonist starts to realize that by killing these things he's exhibiting piss-poor empathy himself. And if lack of empathy is what makes one subhuman.........

Book/movie spoiler spelled out 

@s0 (so if the protagonist is just as much an "android/replicant" according to this metric as the people he's charged with killing, and if he has no choice in performing his duties, he's just as enslaved as they are. Sooooo the protagonist LITERALLY IS an "android/replicant.")

This is lampshaded even more heavily with each iteration of the franchise.

Or: if humanity is about being a good person, who are we to say we're any more humane than anyone?

Book/movie spoilers 

@wilbr I know it well, I鈥檝e read & watched it several times. It鈥檚 just a comparison me and other autistic folks are pretty sensitive about given how often it鈥檚 used as a dismissive insult.

Book/movie spoilers 

@s0 understandable, I'm an aspie myself. Neither I nor the author are calling "less empathetic" people robots, the oppressive fictionalized (and, I guess, real-world) society is. But I think the book is a worthwhile read and reference for precisely the hot take in the original post. Quantifying empathy and penalizing based on it is sort of a hypocritical fascist undertaking.

re: autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites I feel this so hard. I hate allistics and their ableist bullshit.

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites we love ableism 馃檭

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites I don't even think the "autistic people don't have empathy" thing is true. They just don't express empathy the way _allistics_ do. But I guess to an allistic that's the same as not having it.

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@stitchandsew yeah it just seems to mean "bad at allistic social cues" much of the time.

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites yah it's frustrating. Honestly it's allistics who have issues with empathy. Like oh, you can only give and receive empathy to/from other allistics? Hmmmm 馃

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites 馃槩馃檮馃う鈥嶁檧锔

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites neurotypicalo
s have no emphaty or sympathy for anyone. Look how they made up the freaking world?! Ugh.

re: autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites I think the "experts" have subsequently moved the goalpost to "autistic people lack cognitive empathy".

Wherewith the problem is that "cognitive empathy" is relational rather than intrinsic, and that how well you can relate to someone is proportional to how much experience you share with them.

If your experience is sufficiently different from the majority, you'll "lack cognitive empathy".

The term has no place in good (and ethical) science.

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization 

@ljwrites
I genuinely hate the stereotype that ASD people don't have empathy.

I have too much of it and it fecking paralyzes me at times because I just can't figure out how to help the people around me.

autism, violent ableism, dehumanization, injury phobia 

@hit_the_books @ljwrites I have a phobia of being injured and other people talking about injuries, even ones they've healed from, is just as strong a trigger as actually seeing blood because I am incapable of *not* empathising and imagining that happening to me.

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