TIL Bavaria is actually Bayern and whut o_O all this time I never connected the two

Told the husband and he had no idea either Anglos really did that to us

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Ah yes Germany, a dozen-odd duchies in a trench coat somehow doing a really good job of being a state. No one can agree what to call it tho

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A page about terms for Germans has like half the terms marked (pejorative)

Germany what did you do to deserve this

I guess a lot

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Wikipedia has a page dedicated to names for Germany en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of

With a map of names, color-coded by origin

Cool and normal stuff

joking about war 

@lawremipsum I seem to remember a couple of wars happened over that 🤔

@ljwrites
uuuu that looks creepy,
looks like germany hab conquered europe and thats the map with the local names.... :|

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Yep. What's amusing is that in Russian they split the difference. Germany gets called Germany, but Germans are called Nemetz which roughly now means "foreigner" and literally "mute"

@zzz I guess it's a mercy they didn't decide to extend that to the country 😬 also I'm taking a wild guess that Germans' command of Russian was unimpressive during early contact

@zzz @ljwrites
I learned this when I took Russian in university and it will never cease to get a good chuckle out of me...

@anarchiv @ljwrites

In English, I'm still unsure why people from the netherlands are called the Dutch (a mutation of deutsch?) while nearly everyone else calls them Netherlanders or Hollanders.

@evenstay @zzz @ljwrites
well the first two paragraphs state very clearly that it is in fact derived from the same root as deutsch

@evenstay @zzz @ljwrites
so yeah, it's just a pre-nation state thing where that division didn't exist yet

@anarchiv @evenstay @ljwrites

Preserved by people not from those areas. Gotta love it

@anarchiv Because originally "Dutch" referred to all speakers of West Germanic languages on the continet. And yes, it comes from the same root as "Deutsch". In the early modern era when the Netherlands turned into a colonial and trading power, they were the Dutch that Anglos talked about most because they were direct competition to them. So they had to come up with a different word for the other West Germanic speakers on the continent and settled on German

@anarchiv Ah sorry I could not be assed to read the whole thing

@zzz @anarchiv @ljwrites and also that "Pennsylvania Dutch" is a misleading term, there was a large german immigrant population to that region and over time it changed from "Pennsylvania Deutch" because...'Murica, I guess

@ljwrites I love how the blue area is more or less the germanic languages. And also, that the word used there (here) is derived from an old word meaning "people-ish".

@zatnosk Germanic peoples losing the "name Germany" contest

@ljwrites What's wrong with "people-land"? I hear it's a popular name in multiple cultures.

@zatnosk Nothing actually wrong with it, I'm just on a mission to bully Germany (sorry)

@ljwrites oh, I'm not at all offended, as a Dane we've been bullied plenty by Germany (it's their fault Denmark is christian), so I think they've got it coming.

@zatnosk I remember an Italian historian that said that basically around all the globe ancient people/tribes called themselves "the men" or "humans" or "the best men" etc. He provided examples from Europe, Americas (pre-columbian), Africa @ljwrites

@ljwrites The thing that confuse me is that it’s named “Deutchland” but they aren’t the dutch…

@lord I believe it's the other way around, evidently Dutch is a corruption of Deutsche and Hollanders got named after Germans for Reasons.

@ljwrites @lord the north and west germanic language families are closely related and Deutsche just means basically “people” in proto-germanic. So basically multiple nations went around calling themselves “we the people” and then shit got messy bc colonialism

(north germanic languages being Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic, and Faroese)

@ljwrites @lord As for why its called proto-germanic when none of those languages call themselves german or anything similar: uhhhhh yeah white american/english linguists are the worst lol

@Satsuma @ljwrites @lord at least us north germanic people knew what was going on and called our language "norrœna" which means "northern".

@zatnosk @ljwrites @lord hence the confusion between Norway vs the Nordic nations :P

@Satsuma @ljwrites @lord Norway was probably named by danish (or jutish) people, since it literally means north-way. Wiktionary claims that south-way is Germany and east-way is the baltic, in old norse.

@zatnosk @ljwrites @lord this is a hilariously efficient method of naming places i love it

@Satsuma @ljwrites @lord bringing that naming method forward to modern danish would name Germany "Sydge" or "Syve".

Tchuss, Tyskland
Mojn, Sydge!

@Satsuma @ljwrites @lord Now that I think about it, Sweden / Sverige means our land / our dominion, and Denmark means Dan's Border-Region.

Soooo, it might be the swedes who got the long straw here... :blobglare: :blobunamused:

@zatnosk @ljwrites @lord now I want a map of all the countries that successfully claimed “our land” as their country-name hahaha

@lord @ljwrites
Fun times!
"Japanese language ドイツ (doitsu) is an approximation of the Dutch word duits meaning ‘German’."

@Anke @lord makes sense, Japan got guns from the Netherlands so I guess they also got the word for Germany lol.

@ljwrites I watch a youtube series called conlang critic and the host uses this as a test for how auxiliary languages approach endonyms/exonyms

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