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The fedi is a gated community for white ppl, y/n?

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Already draws from a predominantly white pool of people ✅
High cost and knowledge barriers to entry compared to crappy corporate alternatives ✅
Privacy and safety cited as major concerns for creation ✅
But SOMEHOW these safety considerations don't apply to BIPOC who talk about racism, and in fact they are treated as the threats the nice white/light folks were fleeing from :thinkin:
The one Black house in the neighborhood is regularly mobbed and toilet papered ✅
Membership is technically open to everyone but BIPOC are harassed and mistreated into leaving... y'know, for some mysterious reason ✅
Measures to not be so fucking racist are ignored time after time ✅
Idk this place needs to be burned to the ground maybe ✅

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@ljwrites you can be Black or Indigenous here as long as you're twice as good

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@activationfxn @ljwrites and never protect yourself
always forgive even if they were wrong

always be gracious and classy

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@activationfxn @ljwrites
Ugh, this hits too close to home.
So just like real life basically.

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@ljwrites
Yeah, starting a whole new project from scratch would be a good idea... It's a lot of work and I don't have the resources myself...

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@freyja_wildes Idk I think at least one pretty good project is in the pipes... code.playvicio.us/Are0h/Fipamo

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@ljwrites
Well that's nice! I remember seeing it some time ago. I wish I could help (got the skills) but I'm exhausted these days.
I'll try keeping an eye on it, to at least switch to it one day eventually

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@ljwrites it may be different on the english part, but honestly the french lgbtq+ community on mastodon is mostly ok, I've rarely seen ( at least around who I follow and my followers) problematic behaviours, and my personnal (few) takes on racism are usually well boosted.

But It may be a coincidence, I don't know

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@soza @ljwrites
Not a coincidence, it's simply because the French BIPoC community is just non-existent at all on the fedi.

Most, if not all, of the French toots regarding racism I read come from white people...

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@iantila @ljwrites Well, there are clearly some BiPoC people, but you're right in the sense that there isn't a proper *community*, rather BiPoC people here and there mixed among the rest of white folks.

I get your point on the fact that, in this situation, it's difficult to get a good idea on how the french community would react through time in front of a unified community... 🤔

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@soza @iantila When BIPOC talk openly about racism they're hounded after until they leave, take their accounts much more private, or censor themselves. I also have 0 reason to believe the reaction to a Black French instance or African instance etc. would be any better than toward, say, PV.

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@ljwrites @iantila Well, iantila explained the current situation here concerning the (lack of) instances in the french fedi and I agree with what you say related to the BIPOC instances. However, I don't relate with what you have to say concerning the BIPOC individuals' experience. I've talked about racism issues, in general or concerning myself several times, about the fedi or about other issues, and I've not felt hounded, nor did I censor myself or went more private.

Don't get me wrong: I think you're right in general, and I'm not saying BIPOC people are safe here, not at all. Still, I wouldn't say it's the experience every bipoc people have here. At least I don't recognize myself in your descriptions.

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@soza @iantila I'm happy for you, and you are quite obviously not one of the BIPOC I've been talking about since I can't know every individual case.

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@ljwrites y

not fond of that fact

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@ljwrites :sad facepalm: most of it. A few corners are brilliant, but they end up having to defensively isolate, so .. I say they're awesome and include them in fedi as an interoperable archipelago of unique interaction decisions but fedi in the sense of 'single mutually federated network' has failed them.

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@ljwrites I'd say the problem is there are too few gates.

When you make a post, and the entire fediverse can see it, you're gonna get Joe Chuckleshmuck up in your mentions.

When you make a post, and your site follows a white-list protocol instead of a black-list protocol, the Chuckleshmuck is much less likely to appear. And if the Chuckleshmuck still appears on the regular, you need to have a talk with your admin about why you're still white-listing with that site.

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@ljwrites If you're on an instance with Hometown, you can do local only posts, so you have even less chuckleshmucks to worry about.

Curate your community since you can control it, and gate out the chuckleshmucks who don't control their communities, or those whose communities clash with yours.

OTOH, if you want to be heard by everyone, everyone with a bad take is gonna be able to respond to you. There is no fix to that because any chuckleshmuck can make an instance.

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