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Masto Poll: toot visibility ( :boost_ok: boost ok) 

If you are using mastodon, a fork of mastodon and or a software that has the same option for visibility than masto this is for you.

Question: Which visibility option you use the least or you think is the most broken, therefor is not as usefull as it could be (eg. you are using it but it could be better).

If you want to reply to the thread to explain what you think is broken that would be fab.

If you use a different Fedi software and also have a least use visibility option there, do comment.

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Masto Poll: toot visibility ( :boost_ok: boost ok) 

@kyzh Honestly I'd say they're all extremely useful, but amongst all of them I'd say unlisted is probably my least favorite. It has functionality, it's good to have something in between the public-ness of public and the secrecy of follower-only, but... Eh. It only really seems useful for continuations of threads that you don't want to flood a timeline with - which is useful, sure, but not as much as the others.

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@Frinkeldoodle That is a very valid feedback.

Thread are a bit weird in a sense because they are more than one toot and the toot usually have different visibility indeed.

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@kyzh I don't find any of them to be "broken", altho I almost never use direct (simply bc I don't have any close friends here with whom to engage in private conversations). I quite like unlisted bc I want everyone to know my thoughts but sometimes am aware that I can be obnoxious.

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@lemememeringue I like unlisted too, mostly because I was on an instance that had strong rules an etiquette for the local TL.
This is my default posting setting

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@lemememeringue
I have my default visibility to "unlisted". It's like speaking in a public park but without a megaphone. Most of my posts are non-private in nature, so it's perfect for me.

When someone wants to talk about private stuff they can post followers only, and I love that replies can't go beyond a poster's scope.

@kyzh

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@kyzh follower only is broken IMO, because any reply toots are give the visibility of a different set of followers only.

This creates half-visible conversations, as if one is overhearing a phone conversation.

It would be better to either use the follower-set of the first in the thread to use follower only, or restrict it to the intersection of the two follower sets in some way (multiple methods are possible).

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@zatnosk @kyzh Yeah. Both follower-only and unlisted are broken, but follower-only is incompatible with usable threads, so it's probably the most broken.

Unlisted is broken because it's just not very useful. If unlisted were not boostable, it would actually have a use: saying "I want this to be public but not go viral". But staying out of the public timelines is useless if a mega-account boosts your post.

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@zatnosk I think there is something broken there too.

Maybe there should be a special thread visibility setting, so it would automatically so something obvious

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@kyzh unlisted because I always forget that that also means that the toot will not appear in hashtag searches

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@kyzh Despite the quirks with unlisted other folks have mentioned in response to your toot, I still find followers only the most broken (even though it does what it says).
Followers-only, being the most private visibility that still broadcasts, fails at giving control to the author over who will see the toot, unless they lock their account and vet their followers. That is a big step if one just wants to occasionally post privately.

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@kyzh Not that the mode of followers-only is inherently wrong or mis-implemented, but many times I've seen it being used as a weak "mutuals only", which I find would be the obvious alternative for a private broadcast visibility, as the control over who sees the post is given to the author without the need to lock their account.

(I'm using "private" here with some salt added, of course)

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@kyzh things related to follower only are broken because locked posts in AP aren't guaranteed. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I could have a locked account i could trust, but it's not possible, so i end up not posting or talking about things i'd like to

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@kyzh it's kinda wild that Twitter's locked accounts are more trustworthy but here we are

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@kyzh I consider the hashtag search broken, as it only searches among public toots… which kind of force people to use the public toots instead of the other options (which I consider more fit in most situations).

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@kyzh like other comments, followers-only for the broken half-heard/-seen threads it causes.

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@kyzh

public should just be removed, if the public were meant to be interacted with they'd have shown that by now. unlisted, followers, and private. that's all. sorry, I don't make up my own rules

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@sydneyfalk I think we should rename it audience, as the public is my audience, mastodon is my stage and life is my theater

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@kyzh

I could see this but it'd have to be couched so people don't get wrong ideas, because people don't really think about the reality of posting publicly having an effectively global potential audience at all times

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@kyzh

not couched, explained. sorry

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@kyzh Unlisted is perfect, the most useful, the one I use for almost everything

Direct messages are so broken they are potentially dangerous

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@kyzh Hello it is me, the strong opinion haver

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@bgcarlisle I agree, it almost would need a specific DM for individual and one for groups that are well separate

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@kyzh i use Public the least because i prefer my posts not to appear on local/world timelines

i don't consider it broken though, i think it's great that there's a distinction between Public and Unlisted, and it lets people post a lot on less busy instances without dominating the local timeline

i think Follower only is the most broken, in terms of user expectations vs reality, security-wise

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@kyzh unlisted, I don't want to spam the local TL, but I do actually want hashtags to be searchable

If I want it incognito, I just don't add hashtags

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@kyzh Unlisted could be better.
Or just ditch instance/mastodon-wide timelines.
I post most of my stuff as public, since I want it to be searchable.
But I'd like it to be searchable vene when unlisted or followers only.

Then it whouldn't be in those timelines.
And with followers only I'd like to be able to search through it and my followers to search through it, too.

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@kyzh My personal expectation for "unlisted" was "is only visible for authenticated users" instead of the actual implementation.
I'm aware that anyone can spin up their own instance and become "authenticated" in that regard, but that's still very different from the current behaviour of "shows up everywhere on the public web streams, just not on the Fediverse internal public timelines".

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@kyzh I don't really have issues with any of them.

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@kyzh Direct because it's too easy to mention someone and not realize you're tagging them into the message.

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